Don't Mess with Wing Chun

[stampe]

I met this Leung Ting guy from germany once and he had some vicious chi sao. he had a pi chuan like movement attack to the bai hui i had to keep stepping out of the way. it wasnt friendly chi sao session.. those guys wont do any sensing... just attacking.

[9-Ring Blade]

were you talking about Leung Ting the Wing Chun grandmaster?? I heard he's developed a reputation for being a very aggressive fighter. A friend of mine sparred one of his students a while back and he found himself in the same position as you, having to defend himself against a flurry of non stop attacks.

For a funny anecdote on Leung Ting on the set of FIVE VENOMS (he's the action choreographer), check out this interview with Robert Tai

[Bunbu Ryodo]

Mortal you say:


"For the record I do not believe wushu makes you a better fighter."

I really dont agree with your opinion

Modern wushu is a national sport its true but.. to build routines like : Fanziquan , Taijiquan (Chen, Yang Wu, Sun) , Baguazhang ,Xingyiquan, Bajiquan, Nanquan etc...they asked many traditonal masters to advice.

Your opinion show a real lack of knowledge and understanding about wushu.

An example: In the Chen 56 Taijiquan routine there are movements taken from both Yilu and Erlu traditional routine of Chen Taijiquan wich is a really effective in combat applications. As advisor for this routine they asked master like Feng Zhiquang and Chen Xiaowang who are top notch Taiji masters.

Another example: Jet Li when he learned Fanziquan was coached also by Ma Xianda witch is a traditional master of Fanzi. and accomplished fighter

Wushu is not only Changquan with Jumps and twists. But it contain many other styles , South , Internals , Sanda/Sanshou, Tuishou etc...

[yanglike]

In fact, Wing Chun is also a martial art coming from Shaolin such as Fanzi Quan and Chang Quan the only difference is that they didnt make any competition form for Wing Chun like they did for the others.

So all you know is those traditionnal forms like Silum Tao, Biu Zee etc.. But there are also traditional forms and even wooden dummies for many other styles that you see in modern wushu.

Its all the same! Dont pretend that Wing Chun is a traditional 'real' kungfu style compared to any other chinese northern styles.

Its just that people here see it more than traditional Chang Quan so they think this is the real thing but it could be the opposite in some places.

[mortal]

"Modern wushu is a national sport its true but.. to build routines like : Fanziquan , Taijiquan (Chen, Yang Wu, Sun) , Baguazhang ,Xingyiquan, Bajiquan, Nanquan etc...they asked many traditonal masters to advice."

I know all of this and agree.
But if you aren't practicing how to let the applications come out in a spontaneuos way, on a resisting opponent, you are NOT developing fighting skills. I love wushu. I love training wushu but it is not developing my ability to fight a resisting opponent using skeletal structure and reflex timing.

"Your opinion show a real lack of knowledge and understanding about wushu."

Unnessacry, unprovoked attack.

"An example: In the Chen 56 Taijiquan routine there are movements taken from both Yilu and Erlu traditional routine of Chen Taijiquan wich is a really effective in combat applications. As advisor for this routine they asked master like Feng Zhiquang and Chen Xiaowang who are top notch Taiji masters."

Again if you aren't training the applications of the movements against a resisting opponent you are NOT developing fighting skills. I love the forms and know the backrounds of why wushu was developed.

"Another example: Jet Li when he learned Fanziquan was coached also by Ma Xianda which is a traditional master of Fanzi. and accomplished fighter"

Jet li by his own admission NEVER had a fight in his life. Nor is he known as a real fighter in china or anywhere. That makes me respectfully question your qualifications on wushu and fighting.

"Wushu is not only Changquan with Jumps and twists. But it contain many other styles , South , Internals , Sanda/Sanshou, Tuishou etc...

Again I am very familiar with wushu and the different styles. I love chang quan! I love internal! Not crazy about southern though. To stiff for me.

Sanshou is for fighting. When I said wushu wasn't good for fighting I meant taolu. I thought that was obvious since sanshou is only for fighting.

In the future it might be a good idea to try and see where someone is coming from before you jump all over them. But I look forward to discussing this with you without attacks. If you feel that is possible lets continue.

[hsuuperman]

Hi all,

I'm both a Wing Chun and Wushu practitioner for the last 7 or so years. Yeah... Definitely know what people talk about with the whole Wing chun superiority atittude. To a certain extent, I can almost relate to that just due to the efficiency of the style and the quickness at which you pick up self defense when compared to some other styles. However, yeah conditioning with Wing Chun is precious little unless you start sticking with some guy who's completely insane with his hands. Then it's a lot of fun and physically exerting and almost intellectually stimulating with all the guessing going on.

The arrogance is however completely uncalled for and just plain irritating though at times. When I first started up Wing Chun my sifu gave me the same speech about how we were better than all other styles which I think he was getting from Wing Chun's "glorious" days of fighting the Tsai Li Fo and Hung Gar guys.

Ok... not sure what my point is but ... yeah

[mortal]

You and I have the same experiance! 7 years training in these arts. i thought I was the only one. Welcome to the forum.

[skrapitup]

I want to reply to stampe. I am a student of Gary Lam Wing Chun school. You shouldn't judge others like my sifu like that. He was tired because, he went through a couple of hours while filming that segment. Also, he is very good with his hands, I've seen the big guys try a move at him, they jsut went down in a few seconds. I remember seeing a big guy who was experienced in martial arts and street fighting, go down quick in my class.

[Taijiguy]

Again if you aren't training the applications of the movements against a resisting opponent you are NOT developing fighting skills. I love the forms and know the backrounds of why wushu was developed.

It's one thing to know what the application of a technique is, it's another to be able to apply it under stress.

Sanshou is for fighting. When I said wushu wasn't good for fighting I meant taolu. I thought that was obvious since sanshou is only for fighting.

Just to set the record straight, all Chinese martial arts are wushu, including sanshou.

[stampe]

I want to reply to stampe. I am a student of Gary Lam Wing Chun school. You shouldn't judge others like my sifu like that. He was tired because, he went through a couple of hours while filming that segment. Also, he is very good with his hands, I've seen the big guys try a move at him, they jsut went down in a few seconds. I remember seeing a big guy who was experienced in martial arts and street fighting, go down quick in my class.

right on. a good wing chun guy is hard to budge.

i have mixed feeling about wing chun superiority even after taking it for 2 years. i like bruce lee- "take what is useful theory"